We had Ken Stansell, who retired as the acting director of the Fish and Wildlife Service who had been head of the permit office when the elephants were imported 13 years earlier by Dallas, I mean by Tampa and San Diego. And we went over what we thought the options were. And at that time, literally every country that had elephants that any reasonable attempt could have been made, none were available or we couldn’t for various reasons. The only countries that had available elephants were Swaziland and South Africa. And South Africa, we knew the political situations were such that it would be a major effort. Though they were cites of two, which would’ve made it easier permit wise, but we checked some back channels there and so forth or Ken Stansell had checked and so forth. And Swaziland had recently done an aerial survey and took a look and they knew they had a number of elephants that they needed to get down. They were way past their carrying capacity and that they thought they could provide maybe 15 elephants or 12, 15 elephants.
