And as he watched the people there training the animals and he realized that their paradigm was wrong. And he had started to work with, you know, being more positive reinforcing and the animals getting reinforced for doing the correct behaviors and things like that. And you just ignore bad behavior and move on. And the animals get all their food every day. And it made a world of difference. And this was really right at ’72, ’73. And the way we met, actually, I was walking around the corner one day, and he had just come back to Marineland after his stint of moving somewhere else. And I had some rags and some bucket of fish and I had a chainmail glove that my dad gave me.
