But Ron Blakely, who had been at Lincoln Park Zoo as a curator with Marlin, went to Brookfield and he was one of the co-directors. I can’t recall the names at the moment of the other people, so there wasn’t, that I can recall, clearly a good linkage between Brookfield and Lincoln Park in the earliest time. But eventually when George was there and I was at Lincoln Park, we agreed that personally, this was all history. Let’s forget about the Bob Bean, Perkins feud and fussing, and professionally we worked together from that point on, we set up staff gatherings at both institutions. We started exchanging animals as needed, where needed. And from then on the relationship had been a very solid one.