In the early years, first of all, my zoo experience with other zoos was pretty much limited to the other zoo doctors. And at that time, I think there were perhaps three, maybe four full-time zoo vets in the country, one at the Bronx Zoo, on a San Diego, and I think one at Cleveland, I think Len Goss was at Cleveland. And so my contacts around the country were with the other zoo vets, and also there were a smattering of people doing exactly what I was doing. And in a community that had a zoo, some local practitioner would also be a part-time zoo doctor. And so I’d be on the phone with these people sharing some questions and problems. My interaction with other zoo administrative people or curatorial people around the country was probably almost nil.