But at the zoo was totally different, I had absolutely zero idea of what the work ethic, what the work load would be to accomplish different goals. How long it took a keeper in the Bird House to clean a cage. How long it took the barn people to clean the stall. And so I to had learned to rely on my staff, and I was fortunate to have a zoologist at that time, Jean Harts was his name. And I made Jean my assistant director. And Jean, of course, being a zoo person, brought a lot of historical knowledge to the work that I had very little of. And so my mission was over a period of time to learn how to make the zoo operate, hopefully efficiently and safely. I also had to learn to work with a Citizens Support Group.