And in the early years, when we tried to address collaboration, if someone were to tell Chicago, “You’re gonna have to send Bushman to Kansas City.” There would be a reaction, a public outcry. Well, when we tried starting to organize the Gorilla Species Survival Plan, we ran into that. The mayor of Omaha wouldn’t wanna see his animal, I’m just using hypothetical cases, to go to San Francisco because it’s part of the community. And the mayor of the Bronx and New York, wasn’t gonna send something to New Jersey. And so it took a little doing to get through that. And I was able to be part of the early years of cooperation and collaboration in getting the so-called gorilla anyway, SSP Program up to speed. And it’s of course, like all the rest of them now doing well.
