In the early years there was the organization called the AAPA, the American Association Zoological Parks and Aquariums. But when I first was at the zoo, there was a umbrella organization of park executives. I think it was the AIPE, the American Institute of Park Executives. And they had conventions and the zoo people were one segment, a small segment of this incredible large organization. You can imagine every city in the country had a park system, big, small, middle, or whatever, and there were a handful of zoos. And so in my early years, and I can’t recall how many at this moment in time that I attended the conventions of the AIPE and of course the smaller gathering of zoo people that were part and parcel of that large group of park executives. And we felt rather strongly that we were kind of short changed in commitment on the part of the parent body. We weren’t getting much financial support, we weren’t getting much time at the meetings.
