During that time, we had been members of the NRPA, which came after the American Institute of Park Executives. And that came about because NRPA overtook the usefulness of AIPE for all members. We as AAZPA affiliates of that organization were becoming more and more frustrated with the lack of interest in us. We were sort of a splinter organization to them and we needed to spread our wings. We really needed to get moving with so many things. And I was on the board at that time. And it took a long time for us to finally make the decision. But the 12 of us who were on the board at that time, all decided at one major meeting, believe it or not, we finally decided as a group that we had to do this, we had to break all ties and we literally passed the hat around the room.
