Well, of course budget time is always frustrating. You plan for certain years to get something accomplished and because of budget in hard times, and now the present zoo staff people are uncertain having their difficulty with the economy in this day and age, I didn’t have quite as bad, but there were seasons for that and if it happened during the budget period, you couldn’t budget for what you had hoped to do. And that is a frustrating time. Other than that, I didn’t have too much trouble. We talked a little about Species Survival Program. In the ’60s, you were involved with the American Institute of Park Executives. You were one of the people originally who helped orchestrate or were involved in the separate AZA or AAZPA being formed.
