‘Cause at that time they were using a technique called using the internal thoracic artery and stapling it or transferring it to the coronary artery for blood supply when the coronary artery was blocked. And he used a stapler instead of suture material to do that. And he went over to Russia who developed this technique and actually purchased one of their units. And he learned how to do that, working with calves and me as the animal surgeon to learn how to use those staplers. Now they’re used routinely in that kind of surgery and even intestinal surgery and everything else. So I had that experience as far as a professional veterinarian, I just had numerous occasions. The dentist that I used personally helped me do a test abscess in an elephant, he also taught me how to do root canals, and for 10 years or so, I was the only person on the faculty at the University of California Veterinary School that knew how to do a root canal on any species of animal. Now it’s routinely down, in fact, the veterinary school, Davis has two dentists that are on the faculty, but I knew how to do that because of my work with other people.