Well, as I mentioned, the dean wanted to a wildlife person, and I guess I initiated the actual zoo portion of it because I knew that I couldn’t supply the practical experience for students and I wanted a place where that could happen. And so I approached the people having already known the director or the superintendent who was called Dan. And he was very happy to have that. And Bill Steinmetz, who was the local practitioner also was very happy to have somebody else to back him up. And so that laboratory experience is maintained today. Who was the director or the superintendent when- Hank Spencer. And he started out as the superintendent of grounds for the city. And the menagerie is really started out as was his hobby.
