And mainly told him to go do it. He went downtown, did shows at little schools. And I, he said, “Jack, go out to school.” I started going out, I was already going to schools. I went to more schools, did all my little slide shows. Then we started a little summer camps here. He started that. They started a lot with the signage and then he just, you know, he and I would work together, just picking up trash with a golf cart. We never had meetings. Then finally toward, it started growing.
