Those guys helped keep it alive. Just Lee kept it alive. They had no money. I don’t know how they even did it. But then they all took off as they progressed in life and met other zoo people and left here. But I just happened to just stay here. And so that’s, that’s amazing to me that those names I just told you who some of you might have interviewed, were some of the finest zoo directors in the entire history of this country and probably will continue to be the finest zoo directors in this country, even some of them are gone now. And I knew all those guys. If you look at those guys I just named, Jim was tough, no doubt about it, but he was a friend of mine.
