At that time, the buying and selling of animals was a cocktail party event. It was more fun than it was science. And during the cocktail party, you take turns getting up at a microphone and reading off your surplus list. And the other zoo directors of the audience would say, “Oh, I’ll take that,” or “I’ll take this,” and “I’ll take that.” They would be buying sight unseen. I mean that’s unheard of today, but that’s the way surplus animals were marketed at that time. So I got the opportunity to start selling animals and then ultimately help in the buying of animals as well. But you moved from assistant curator to curator of reptiles. I went from assistant curator to curator and then from curator of reptiles to kind of assistant general curator.