When I started the education program at the zoo, it was kind of a hobby. But Marlin was very keen in developing education program that education was a strong component of the zoo. And there was a time when he and Carol were supposed to go to Colorado Springs for AZA National Zoo Association conference. And the last minute, Marlin and Carol had to go to Africa for Wild Kingdom. So Marlin came to Moody and said, “We already have a room at the conference. I want you to take Charlie, go to the conference and make sure that he meets the lady who runs the education department for the San Diego Zoo,” who was a volunteer. It was all docent-run program. “But also meet Roger Conant’s wife Isabelle,” who ran an education program outta Philadelphia Zoo.