Zoologist became curators and curators went on. We had at one time from St. Louis about 15 zoo directors around the country and I think Lincoln Park had the same reputation. That was Marlin Perkins. That was his philosophy. So when you were assistant curator, you didn’t have to clean the snake cages then. No, still had to clean the snake cages. Still had four hours of chores to do in the morning. Had to do the dirty work in the morning and do the curating in the afternoon.