‘Cause recommendations had to be made to Marlin and then he would determine if the recommendations were good and he would in turn turn those back over to Moody Lentz to follow through across the zoo. But that gave the curators another opportunity to self-educate. It was like getting advanced training to make us much more professional. So Marlin is known for that at Lincoln Park and he started zoologists I think at Lincoln Park and then promoted them to assistant curator, curator. Many who became curators and directors at other zoos. Well then the same thing happened at St. Louis. We began being a training zoo. So we had a lot of our keepers become zoologists.