It was a local zoo show that Bill Hoff, who was then the director, hosted along with our veterinarian, and I was to film things and they were gonna use that as part of their TV experience, the way zoos collect animals. So we went all along the east coast of Mexico all the way down to Yucatan and we collected more or less crocs, we collected birds. We had permits, it was interesting though, the zoo back then, zoos were still not thought of very highly. I also had a university gentlemen with me that was collecting birds for the university collection. And I applied to the phone on Sylvester for permits to collect hummingbirds and orioles, and I was not allowed to, I was refused on those species. Yet the gentleman I had with me, he shot 30 hummingbirds and they were two blocks away from the department’s offices. There was a woman sitting there with a cage full of orioles, and was pinching them, killing them and stuffing them with straw, wiring them and selling them to tourists. So zoos did not, zoos still had that image of, they weren’t scientific institutions, they weren’t worthy of a permit.
