It was like insects, there was no challenge. There was nothing known about the husbandry. On top of my zoo directorship, I had a little area in a little corner in the zoo that I was doing amphibian husbandry research and keeping various species, and eventually was successful in breeding some, which was remarkable, like the Texas blind salamander. This was the first time the eggs or larvae had ever been seen in this particular species, ’cause it was a cave species on the Edwards Plateau and one that’s considered endangered. And we bred some of the plethodons for the first time, and it was a challenge and I kept good notes and wrote a few papers. So I got to know some of David Wake and I got to know a lot of people in the professional field in the amphibian area. Dr. Rabb was interested, George Rabb was interested in what I was doing, and then obviously there are people in, one person that always impressed me is a gentleman I met earlier from Procter and Gamble, Dr. Oliver Gail. He was a strong supporter of mine, and together we worked very well.
