When I think about my zoo career and who had the most influence, I think there were probably two gentlemen that I was enamored with and respected. They were both different, they were like two sides of a coin. One was Marlin because he was very forthright and he did manage to project the zoo out to the community and get the kind of community support. In fact, I think what Marlin did benefited all zoos. And I think Dr. Charles Schroeder, Charlie, because he was so well-organized and I learned organization under Charlie, and if you’re not organized, you’re not gonna go anywhere in a business as complex as the zoo business. So those were two gentlemen. Obviously there were a lot of, in my career, there were a lot of curators and people that I’ve developed friendships with. I learned a lot from a lot of people.