Whenever you try to put the male and female together, they would about kill each other. And I tried to get Betsy involved in doing more research on it. I thought if you could time the estrus of the rhino, perhaps putting them together at that time, it would be at least they wouldn’t kill each other. Usually when we put the animals together, we would have to be patching animals up and sewing up wounds, and animals were injured in different ways, so it was a risky proposition. Then I hired a young researcher that was interested, and when Betsy left the zoo, she went on to New Orleans to work at the Audobon Park Zoo. They developed a larger facility, reproductive research facility and invited her to become the director and she accepted the position, and I certainly couldn’t blame her. It was a lot more money and it was more prestige. But I hired a young researcher out of the National Zoo, Dr. Terri Roth, and Terri was interested in rhino, and she began a program of developing methods of determining the estrus period.