I was general curator until Bill Hoff, Bill Hoff left for St. Louis. I was general curator, yes, until Bill Hoff left for St. Louis. I was placed in as interim director. Bill had an opportunity for the directorship following Marlin in St. Louis. So they put me in as interim, and three months later, they hired me as full-time director. I was one of the youngest directors of a major zoo at that time. I was in my 30s.
