Well, it really started when I had to finish Wright because I was heading for another city, and then this is when I was invited to join another zoo in Cincinnati. But I started my zoo career really in Lincoln Park. My first introduction to Marlin Perkins was as a very young man, I kept a number of animals in our garage in the back of our yard, I kept the number of wild animals. I had a red tailed hawk and I had this bird trained and I had it on just a- And the bird flew away from me and eventually newspapers were following it, and they were calling it a bird from Mars. It was purchased on TV antennas, and eventually someone caught it and took it to the zoo. And I found out that the bird had been taken to Lincoln Park Zoo. So I went to reclaim my bird and I was introduced to Marlin Perkins. Little did I know later that he would be the person I would be working for, but we talked and Marlin wanted to use the bird on his television show, “Your Zoo”, which was a very popular Chicago show at that time, and I agreed and eventually I donated the bird to the zoo.