Saul was a, Saul was, I think we characterized him as a man who was always in motion. He had a hard time sitting still. He was somebody who was always looking ahead, thinking ahead, looking for new opportunities, looking to share knowledge, looking to share contacts. And the zoo grew considerably under his leadership and his tutorage. And when he left to take up the directorship of San Francisco, it was a very sad day for Lincoln Park, but we all wished him well, we knew it was the next logical step. He was very definitely, he had all the credentials, he had all the experience, he had all of the education. He had all the tools that he needed to be a zoo director and to be a classic zoo director in the real sense of the word.
