Well, when Kevin Bell was promoted to, was appointed director, I think initially not much changed between the two of us. I mean, essentially we went from being comrades and colleagues to comrades and colleagues, except that he was then in charge. I was kind of a reversal of roles, but there were no extraordinary or exceptional demands made on me different than had been made in the past. And I think our relationship at least to start was fairly good, but then it became obvious that the board and hence the zoo’s director had shifted direction and that there would be the zoo would be reshaped. And that there was no sense of history. There’s a sense, this was the new zoo in a very real sense, and that we’re moving forward from this moment, and that there is no significance to the history of this institution. This institution will be reflected in its future.
