So I think in a way I got my revenge. So there was a life lesson learned for you. Absolutely absolutely a life lesson learned professionally. And that is even if you know what you’re talking about, even if you think you are as best prepared as you can, even if you’re taking the high and mighty, you should avoid those kinds of confrontation with mass media. And I have successfully since. Talking about conservation, in 1980, you were appointed the chair of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and the edentate specialist group.
