I was just trying to build visitation. So, it wasn’t so much that, I mean, some of the bigger trips you ultimately might have gotten some of the donor types to go along. But for me, it was just creating a reason for people to want to become a member, to want to support the organization because I had to pay the light bill that way. I tried desperately to, I had to operate in the black every year or I had to cut if I thought I wasn’t gonna make the budget black at the end of the year, I had to start whacking at it before the end of the year got there. I couldn’t say, “Oops. We overspent by 10 bucks this year.” That was forbidden. So, anyway I could connect people to the park and birdwatching or field trips or whatever, we were gonna do it. One question that I was thinking about was you mentioned the botanical collection that you had to start with, or you were developing.
