So eventually, you know, my philosophy of zoo and my philosophy of conservation developed, and that was guided in part by things that happened at the zoo and the research that was going on. Kathy Rall’s research on inbreeding and captive breeding and that sort of thing. It was also based on, you know, just getting to know the business and learning from people that were in the zoo business curators going to the, I, I wasn’t even a member of the AZA until something happened. And Bob Wagner mentioned me for some, they knew who I was. And then Reed found out that I wasn’t a member of the AZA and called up and you better join, join right now. How much is it? It’s like over a hundred dollars. I don’t pay. I was a member of the American Society of Mammalogist at the age of 16. I used to pay $4 a year and I got four journals.
