Well, before Eisenberg left Rudy Rudan and John up at WCS in charge of their conservation programs, primatologist, you know who he is, I can’t think think of his name right now. Anyway, the two of them applied for grant money and they got grant money to, from NIH to develop a kind of primate biology training program because NIH was bringing in lots of primates, but their expertise in primate biology was not real strong. There were problems and everything. So Eisenberg kind of worked with them and they decided that they were gonna start a training program and they could get grant money, which they did. And so they got the money and they started doing this training program and I thought it was great. When I heard about what they were doing, I thought, you know, this is the kind of thing that we should be doing. We should be lending our expertise as a biologist, you know, to people that work with primates for medical purposes because they have different goals completely of which husbandry and management may not completely overlap with our goals in those areas. So anyway, that got going and I met John Jensen of the Pew or Pew Charitable Trusts up at the meeting in Wisconsin.
