Rab was kind of into the deep management and the science and everything and the challenges of the zoo. And Peter liked me because I had a German name and he would call me. And so, you know, he had this kind of fantasy of who I was or something. It was interesting. But anyway, what happened is, one of the first problems that came up is they wanted to renovate the bear Grottos at Brookfield Zoo, which means they were going to tear out the old gunny where it needed tearing out and they’re gonna rebuild them and do everything. And they wanted me to design the bear grottos in clay with Masonite and cardboard and make a scaled model of it, which I’d never done before. So I tried my best. And then Dick Matter, remember Dick matter, he was a gunite crew that worked there. He had a gunite company that came out of Madison, Wisconsin, I think, or maybe it was Milwaukee.
