I didn’t want to get into zoo work. I wanted, I wanted to get academics. You know, I dunno if you want to cover that in the next section or get into it now, but you know, when I, let’s talk about it. When I finished my PhD, I was trying to get a, an academic job. And at that time was like, you had to have like two or three Eisenberg said you’re gonna have to have like two or three postdocs before you’re competitive to get a university position. I’m not sure that was true, but that’s, it wasn’t easy to find jobs. And you know, your CV wasn’t long enough. You didn’t, you hadn’t done enough stuff and or people that had more experience in you and had a, a reputation as a scientist or as you didn’t.
