And he had this huge collection and he had a number of keepers that worked for Gene. And that’s kind of how it started. And I was one of the first who started studying the captive collection. I wasn’t studying the animals. He had, they had a big collection of vivers in the small mammal house. And that had been accumulated by Ernest p Walker and who was a real animal nut. But he had gotten all of these strange vibrates from Southeast Asia and Africa. And sometimes they were only singleton’s, but sometimes they had pears.
