So I actually worked for him one summer in the Lion House basement, cleaning the cages. ’cause there were these two giant bays filled with 10 wrecks and the newspapers had to be changed every day. And the water had to be changed. And then they had to be fed in the afternoon, chopped up worms and hamburger and all that kind of stuff. He had Selena Dawns, or he had one Selena Dawn when I was there, which was great. So for me, from the standpoint of my own personal education, I was learning about mammalian diversity. You know, firsthand, I, I like to say that the Lion House basement was a place that went bump in the night because the lights would go off in the afternoon after the feeding. And then I used to get my camera out and the electronic flash and take pictures of stuff.