He was a brilliant person, had a great mind, could be highly entertaining. He had the gift of Oratory, he had a lot of things going for him. And he and Reid struck it off well to begin with. But it kind of got, it got a little bit, John was a very willful personality. So and so was Ted. So they started to kind of cross swords now and then. And that led to problems. So, but meanwhile what John did is he brought on students, I was one of his graduate students and a lot of them wanted to do field work.
