And this was one welfare issue that came up. And so I had to go down to Washington DC with one of my staff members who was a keeper, and he had helped organize it. ’cause he was a wildlife management major from Virginia Tech, but he also chewed tobacco. So he had a big wad of, of jaw in his cheek when he went down there and he had the baseball cap, he thinks. So he cut the kind of image that that didn’t pass muster with the citizens in Washington DC who were in Maryland, who were the suburban suburbanites who were concerned about this issue. And so the next thing that happened was that hearing in the picture here and the appropriation subcommittee, it was brought to their attention. And I had to go down and testify. And Ripley didn’t want anything to do with it.
