I remember one time we had a, we were giving a course in Morocco and there was this very sincere young man who took the course and he was in a zoo management position. And he told us, we were talking about Kate crate training animals, cate tra crate training ungulates. And he gave this example of what they did where they did everything wrong. I mean, it was like horrible. And it was so horrible that I’m very embarrassed about this, but I couldn’t keep a straight face.
