I mean, that’s what captivity can do to animals. And of course we all knew that captivity could, you know, grossly modify behavior. I mean, Conrad Lawrence knew that. And Eine Hager knew that. I mean, we all knew that. But this was a demonstration of a, that had an impact that nobody had, that Gene had never experienced before. And it kind of changed him. I mean, he realized that there were challenges within the zoo in dealing with captive husbandry that he had never dreamt of. He was interested in natural behavior, but it was, was, I was highly amused. And a lot of his friends were amused by his reaction to it because he was deeply, he was the kind of guy when Gene came around, he was so enthusiastic about what he was doing.
