They can consult with them, but they were answering to me. And then we started having staff meetings. We started to act, operate as a, a coordinated and unified office of the zoo rather than a divided office that answered to different parts of the zoo. But yet in 1985, you become the associate director for conservation and research. Yeah. That that was part of the different Title. Yeah, it was just a, at that time when Mike Robinson was in there, he wanted to have raise people to a higher level. So he was the director and then they were gonna have the associate director. So Deborah was associate director of research.
