All the students who were keen wanted to see. And eventually we, we were invited in, we could see those birds. And I mean when I heard what they were doing in research, I wanted to do the same sort of thing. So I kind of bought into the research ticket early on and decided to do a master’s degree, which kind of surprised my parents. And I said, I wanna go for a PhD, I wanna keep doing this. And I got married when I was in the master’s program, Shirley was teaching school, so she supported us and we had their strikes right in the house. It was my grandfather’s flat on Gary Street. We lived there when I got married.
