Yeah, all of them. All of those zoology teachers did, I mean, I loved it, But anybody more than others that, Well, Swan was, Swan was a can-do kind of person. So he, he made it possible for us to go down there. And I mean, it was a changing kind of experience because we, I’d never been out of the country before. I’d never seen poverty before. You know, we were sleeping on the sides of roads, route 45 going down the central plateau of Mexico. How old was I? 19-year-old kid with other 19-year-old kids collecting specimens along the way. So that was, and he came down and he helped, he joined us the second year and we climbed to the, we didn’t climb to the peak of, or we climbed to the edge of the crater, which was 18,000 feet. I didn’t have any sun protection or anything.
