You don’t have to kill ’em and make ’em into study skins. And when I found out that I could do that, I quickly switched over and started wanting to study anthology with him. And I did my master’s degree with him on Impaling behavior of Loggerhead strikes. And so that’s how I got into it. And from that it led to University of Maryland where I worked with John Isenberg on the VI Carnivores at the National Zoo and got the job in Brookfield and the rest of its history. But that’s the early history, probably more than you wanted to know.
