She got me this book and it had these line drawings, very old looking line drawings, not the sort of things we’ve seen today, very stylized. And so I started trapping mice in the, the basements of some of my neighbor kids who knew that there were mice in the basements and trying to skin ’em. And eventually I did learn to skin small mammals and make study skins. And that happened at the Cal Academy. The other thing that was good about the academy is you could actually meet some of the si, the curators at the museum. So when I was in junior high school, I went up and I met Dr. Robert Dior, who is a curator of birds and mammals. And he had me into his office and he introduced me to his assistant, Mrs.
