I’m still excited about the Pangolin program that, that started back in 2014. It has really provided good information to field biologists and also to rehab facilities in countries of origin. Mainly because the medicine and care of these animals that were confiscated that would go to rehab facility, very few of those animals survived to be able to be released back in the wild because we just didn’t know enough about what these animals needed and what the medicine was behind it that would support rehabilitation. So I think it’s provided a lot of information. I think the other thing that I I look at is conservation. I was really proud to be a part of the Chicago Board of Trade Conservation Program, CBOT that gave out grants and it gave me the opportunity to look at a lot of field programs going on out there and began to, to be able to analyze what that, what a program was and whether it was gonna be successful or not. And, and supporting those that I felt were gonna be successful compared to those that were just gonna be what I recall, a money dump, so to speak. And, you know, you can keep putting money in it, but you’re never gonna win that particular program because of all the geopolitics and all the other influencers that, that are surrounding that particular species.
