I knew I wanted to work in zoos at the time because I’d learned a lot from Phil and what he was doing. And Phil at that time was working with, with a gentleman called Vernon Kiley, if you know Vernon. And they were really beginning to get the zoo oriented towards conservation programs. And so I said, that’s what I wanna do, but I enjoy working hands-on with stuff. I’m still a hands-on person. And so when I got down there, went into the HERC department and started working, but my interests were everywhere. If I could learn about something, I’m gonna take that opportunity to do it. And so within a year, I transferred out and worked a number of different, I worked elephants for a while.
