When I analyze a zoo, I analyze leadership, the quality of the keeper staff and the behind the scenes. I don’t analyze it by attendance and budget and, and, and marketing campaigns, you know, totally different. And when I do it that way, it changes because the zoos change. But some of the, in, in, if you go outside the United States, I think Singapore Reserves does a fairly good job. I, the, the two Australians, who’s the major, the major ones, Taronga and Sydney and Zeus Victoria in Melbourne are really where, really well done. Jenny Gray runs the one down in Melbourne Zoos Victoria, and Cam Cameron forgot it ki he runs the one in Toronto. They’re really good. They’re really good zoo directors. They, they were at the WASA committee in Columbia this last week when I was there.
