But, but I, I was, I was, so the biggest achievement was Joe and I, we convinced Conway to come back. You know, Conway was, they were using Conway as a consultant, and then Conway couldn’t do it anymore. And he recommended me, but he never told me that. I only found out that years later. And, and so, and then, then when I was a consultant, I said, guys, whatever I say you’re listening to, ’cause I’m the only animal guy in the room. I gotta have some colleagues. We gotta argue. You gotta hear us argue. ’cause there’s not one way to exhibit this animal. There’s not one way to do this or that.
