And they weren’t, they weren’t, the board didn’t think they were at the zoo enough. So you have to be, it’s a, it’s a balance. And I’ve seen zoo directors that do a good job and then the new chair, chairman of the board comes in and says, I don’t like what you’re doing. You know? So the continuity is not there. And the only way the continuity can be there is if everybody’s on the same page about conservation and animal care. You know, it is care and conservation. You gotta, if you saw if, if, if you’re addressing those two things, all the other stuff, will you, you gotta build on that. And leadership is, is a tricky issue.
