He said, well, I got the Ator Rx and I put ’em out there like a herd and let them, you know, survive. And, and they were fine. And he says, and I worked with the, and I had directors back then, like Conway that understood it. The directors changed, then they wanted to manage my collection. They said, no, you can’t do this, you can’t do that. He said it didn’t work. They, you know, it, he said it was just a change in leadership. Again, change in philosophy. They wanted, ’cause he wanted to manage them as, as a herd.