You know, yes. And, and, but they’re little steps. You know, we talk about the behavior change. You can change a visitor’s perspective, but you don’t do that by attacking them. When they first come in saying, oh, do you realize, you know how urgent this is and we need your money. You, you get them to care first. I, I call it the, the three Hs. You go to their heart first and then you get them to care. And that’s by feeding an animal, doing something special.
