Well, that was back. That was back when we were, we were trying to get enough information, enough blood samples to, to get some physiological norms and blood norms. And New Orleans Zoo was in real flux then. They lost their, their old director died. They were in real flux. We thought we were being invited down by the city of, of New Orleans. It turns out we really weren’t. And so Ulie and I, and in 1971 went to New Orleans.
